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<v Marie Raney> The web is about
information accessibility.

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It's really a basic
human freedom

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that we're just really
beginning to talk

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about in the last decade.

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It's important, therefore, that
everybody have this freedom.

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Any freedom that's only allotted

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to a few is not really
a freedom.

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<v Jason Civjan> The web is about
information and it's important

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that people can access the
information that they need

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in order to complete a workflow

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or get their job
done, finish a task.

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<v Amy Brown> I think the
web should be accessible

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to everyone all the time.

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I grew up with it being
easily accessible to me.

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It's how I learned
information easily.

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I can't imagine someone
not being able

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to just Google something
instantly

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and getting what they need.

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<v Max Bronsemna> I think
websites should be accessible

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because the web was
founded kind of on this idea

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of sharing information.

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And if you can't
share information,

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or if some people can't see it,

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then it's not truly
being shared.

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<v Jacob Nelson> We all
have different abilities

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and disabilities.

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And if we're all going to be
able to get the same content

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and interpret it in a
somewhat similar fashion,

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it has to be given to us in
that way that's accessible

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so that we can actually
reach it.

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<v Rick Ells> Accessibility
is important

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for a number of reasons.

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For one, there are
laws that apply.

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Another is it can
relate to our reputation.

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And a third is that
by paying attention

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to it we create a more inclusive
educational environment.

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<v Dylan Wilbanks> I
think we are really good

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as developers at being .

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. . focusing on the 80% case.

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Focusing on how do we make four

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out of every five
of our users happy?

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How do we build things
for those group of people?

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Because that last
20%'s always hard.

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But I say that the
web's for 100%.

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It's for everybody, which is
what Tim Berners-Lee said.

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<v William Washington> I
definitely am really moved

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by this notion of inclusiveness.

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I mean, I think that
for me is a part

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of why this is important to me.

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But there's also just the ...

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the sort of ...

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the notion of ...

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having everybody's
contributions to the ...

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sort of ...

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the knowledge.

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<v Evan Derickson> The big challenge is

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to escape your own viewpoint
and to not make the assumption

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that everyone sees the
web the way you see it

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on the device you see,
the way you use it.

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And so when you're
creating web pages,

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that's the biggest
challenge is getting outside

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of where you're sitting.

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<v Dylan Wilbanks> The biggest
obstacle to accessibility,

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I think, is pure knowledge.

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It's really about putting
yourself in the mind of a person

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with disabilities,
a person who has ...

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who has no motor skills, has
no hands, has a lack of vision,

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has a lack of hearing, may
have a cognitive disability.

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To be able to put
yourselves in their shoes

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and understand how are
they working with the thing

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that I'm building or
designing right now?

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Can they use it?

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<v Rick Ells> The alternative
is you build something,

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someone says: "Oh no,
it's not accessible."

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And so you go back
to try to fix it.

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But you probably have been doing
the wrong thing in many places.

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You know, you may have hundreds
of images with no alt ...

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alt texts.

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You may have navigation that's
very confused or you're relying

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on libraries that assistive
technologies aren't going

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to figure out.

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And so that's when someone
says: "Oh, it's too much.

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It's too expensive.

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It's too much work."

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Well, just do it from the
beginning and it'll --

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you'll probably get a quality
product with less work.

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<v Dylan Wilbanks> Accessibility is important

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to incorporate early on because

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if you don't incorporate
it early on,

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you will incorporate it
later at greater expense

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with a certain amount of
time that you don't have,

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or a certain amount of
money you don't have

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to try to make it better.

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<v Marie Raney> Accessibility,
unfortunately

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like everything else in design,
in web design, has to be done

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from the very beginning.

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So whether you're designing
for your different devices,

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whether doing for different
kinds of human abilities,

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all those things
have to be thought

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of from the very
beginning and built

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into your concept of
what your plan is.

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Of course nobody wants
to take time at the end.

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We're almost there.

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We just want to get it out

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and that's the mistake
many of us make.

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It's like "well,
I'll just get it out

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and then I'll go
back and fix it."

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No, doesn't ever happen.

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It was the next project.

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<v Rick Ells> The first step in
getting an accessible site is

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to work with the management
so they understand the value

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of making it accessible.

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And also helping them understand

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that we can do pretty
much anything they want

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and be accessible.

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<v Kyle Russell> If you just
talk about accessibility,

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it may not be immediately
appreciated

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as something important to do.

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But if you start talking
about quality and the overlap

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of search engine optimization
and accessibility and things

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of that nature, that ...

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that will tend to get
people's attention more.

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<v Jacob Nelson> When I
started, I was a designer.

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I wanted to make
things look pretty.

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And you don't think about
anything besides the aesthetics.

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And ... but I soon realized was
that when you have something

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that works, it already
looks good.

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Right? So that's where I started

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to move towards things
being functional.

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And then the beauty
came along after that.

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<v Dylan Wilbanks> I don't believe

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that making a site
accessible inhibits creativity.

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In fact, I would argue
it helps creativity.

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It improves creativity.

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<v Rick Ells> Good, accessible
design often closely relates

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to good usable design.

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And we've found a
really close parallel

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between good mobile design --
mobile for mobile devices --

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and the simplicity and clarity
of good, accessible design.

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<v Screen Reader> Safari.

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Skip to primary content.

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In page link.

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<v Screen Reader> Current Students.

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Future Students.

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Menu Item.

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Accessible Technology.

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<v Rick Ells> So they're ...

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they're all interrelated
and basically

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if you're making really
complicated sites with lots

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of stuff on them
and you're doing...

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using different methods
all over the place,

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you're probably not building
that great a site anyway.

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<v Amy Brown> The way we create
websites today has improved

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from 10 years ago.

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We're not using in line styles.

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We're not only designing
for one screen size.

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So, as we're, the developers and
designers, are forced to design

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for every person and every
device, we can't go backwards;

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we can't become limited again.

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<v William Washington> Primarily what you can do
as a designer to ...

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to check for accessibility
is making sure

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that you have good
headings, good proper headings

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and heading structure,
good labels on inputs,

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good labels on buttons
and links.

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So making sure that you're
using the right tags.

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And the second best thing I
would say, at least that I do,

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are checking with the
keyboard, just looking

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to see keyboard navigation,
making sure that ...

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that, you know, there's
good focus indicators

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and that you don't get the
focus trapped anywhere.

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<v Rick Ells> Part of
the challenge in sort

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of the development world is
that many developers, you know,

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look around and find open source
libraries of really cool stuff.

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So they find ways to make
things bounce across the screen

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or make things get big
and small and so on,

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and it just doesn't
enter their mind

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to evaluate them
for accessibility.

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<v Marie Raney> When you're
looking at a JavaScript library

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or a content management system
piece of code that you would

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like to use, you need to look
both at does it do what you want

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for the web and does it also
-- is it also accessible?

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In other words, does it do
for you and for everybody?

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<v Jacob Nelson> So as soon
as you develop something,

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you go back and you check it and
check it over and over again,

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and on multiple browsers,
multiple machines.

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You know, I'll even call people,
you know, overseas and say,

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"Hey, can you find
it, can you check it?

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Is it working for you?

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Okay, good."

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You know? And now they
have tools out there

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where you can check on every
single browser out there.

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In the past that
was way important.

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It still is.

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We have a few browsers
out there, like,

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a handful of browsers
that we use.

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But we need to check it on every
possible system and platform."

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<v William Washington> The best
thing that you can do ultimately

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to check a design, be it
checking for usability

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or accessibility, it's actually
putting it in front of users

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and seeing if they can use it.

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<v Jason Civjan> You know no
matter how great your site is,

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you know you may think you're
hitting all the standards

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and then you watch someone go
through it and say, "well, wow,

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that didn't work out so well."

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<v Kyle Russell> When I think
of what a university does,

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at its core, it's to not take
everyone with very similar ideas

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and turn out people with those
same ideas but it's to ...

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it's to benefit from a broad
range of abilities and skills

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and different perspectives.

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And I see accessibility
and disability

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as being a part of
that spectrum.

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<v Marie Raney> I think
accessibility needs

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to be talked about more.

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It needs to be taught in the
institution, in the schools.

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It needs to be enforced
in institutions

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and commercial environments.

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<v Max Bronsemna> As new
technology comes out,

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I think there will be some
that just neglect it completely

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and others that champion it.

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And the ones that champion
it will be more user friendly

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to everybody else.

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They'll win in the marketplace.

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<v Evan Derickson> I think
the future of the web is

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to be making fewer
and fewer assumptions

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about how other people use it.

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We have mobile devices.

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We have screen readers
and we even have --

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your web page or your
content might be used

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by another machine.

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So, I think the future of the
web is to continue making fewer

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and fewer assumptions and
more universal content

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that is not restricted
or exclusive.

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<v Jacob Nelson> I think
it can be very challenging

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for certain ...

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for certain applications to
serve people with disabilities.

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But that ...

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that's what the engineer
needs to think about.

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Why did I become an engineer?

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To make the impossible
possible, to solve big problems.

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And this is a big problem
so let's attack it.

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Let's solve it.

